There've been plenty of threads arguing back and forth about the rights and the wrongs of what happened in the Troubles, and about all the other priods of Troubles since Ireland was under the control of England.   Couldn't we leave this thread to be about Martin McGuiness?

As I made the point, his role in relation to the violence was one that many others could have, but his role in relation to moving Northern Ireland, and the Republican movement, away from violence was one that it is hard to see anyone else doing as well.