if they exist at all

You may note, although not really care, that never in my argument with Jim on this did I ever say that they did not exist. I have no reason to doubt that you have never seen them, Keith, as I have not either, but I have no reason to doubt Jim either. He has seen them and spoken to many people affected by them. Why can you both just not accept that both are telling the truth and both are right from their own point of view? Is it so difficult?

Maybe we should just stick to music. Although, Jim, looks like you have declared war on melodeon players :-)

What do you call perfect pitch? Tossing a bodhran in a skip without it touching the sides.

:D tG