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Thread #161452   Message #3846629
Posted By: Jim Carroll
25-Mar-17 - 02:36 PM
Thread Name: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
"Jim, I am of the opinion that there are no "racists" among the registered membership here."
THen you exlain Keith's claim taht all make Pakistani Muslims are implanted culturally to have underage sex
Is that not racist in your book?
You have yet to explain your own persistence in suggesting that forcing asylum seekers to wear identificatoion tags after it has been foung to de dettrimental to their safety
Is that not racist?
Don;t know how much evidence you fellers want to prove signs barring travelers from being served in pubs and shops
Here's a sample from 2004 to the present day, if you don't wish to take my personal experience as evidence

Jim Carroll


"Commission fro Racial equality examines treatment of gypsies
The chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality has visited two gypsy sites as it launched a review of how travelling communities are treated.
The CRE is investigating how local authorities respond to their needs and what facilities have been set up.
Trevor Phillips was at east London sites in Hackney and Newham.
The review was launched after Gypsy and travellers' groups complained about councils' treatment, especially in planning, site provision and eviction.
Mr Phillips recently said: "Great Britain is still like the American deep south for black people (was) in the 1950s.
"Discrimination against gypsies and travellers appears to be the last 'respectable' form of racism.
"It is still considered acceptable to put up 'No traveller' signs in pubs and shops and to make blatantly prejudiced remarks about Gypsies and travellers. "

A CRE spokesman said: "Many public bodies, including local authorities have a legal obligation to eliminate discrimination, promote equality of opportunity and good race relations.
"This applies to all racial groups. CRE is keen to establish the extent to which local authorities are meeting these obligations in relation to gypsies and Irish travellers.
The organisation said the information from the scrutiny exercise will be used to produce guidance for local authorities.
It will set out what they should be doing in relation to gypsies and Irish travellers, to meet their statutory race equality obligations, and giving good practice examples
2004

The ASA took advice from the Equality and Human Rights Commission (EHRC) who had undertaken specific work into the issues affecting Gypsy and Traveller communities.
2014
The EHRC said research had shown that Gypsies and Travellers (which was the appropriate term when referring to those groups) were often subject to suspicion and disapproval because of negative public perceptions which in turn led to members of the community experiencing prejudice and harassment. They said, although racism from members of the public towards most ethnic minority groups was now widely viewed as unacceptable, it remained persistent and common towards Gypsies and Travellers and was generally seen as justified and the last "respectable" form of racism. The EHRC said they continued to receive complaints about 'No Travellers' signs.

Mark Willers QC (2016)
Ethnic Romani Gypsies, Irish Travellers, Scottish and Welsh Gypsy Travellers are all entitled to protection from discrimination under our equality legislation. However, despite the fact that such legislation has been in force for decades and has developed considerably to protect against increasingly subtle forms of discrimination, Romani Gypsies and Travellers still experience discrimination of the most overt kind. By way of example,
2012
"Bosses apologise at 'no travellers' sign at Blackburn Ice Arena"


2012
Conn Mac Gabhann is the Manager of the traveller project at the Irish Chaplaincy in Britain.
When my mother came to England in the 1950s to work as a nurse, the signs on the boarding houses said 'No Blacks, No Irish.' She described it as normal.
You couldn't get away with putting up signs like that now.
That's what I thought. Or really, what I thought was that nobody, even if they were racist, would be stupid enough to erect signs like that and attract the attention of the police.
I was wrong. And I was wrong on two counts. Firstly, because there are people stupid enough to put up the signs. Secondly, because I assumed that the police and the CPS would pursue these people under race relations legislation.
Before Christmas, I was walking up through a back street in north London when I noticed a pub that had a sign that read 'Travellers strictly by appointment only.'
I thought it was a mistake, so the next day I went back to the pub with my colleague Joe. The signs were there alright – three of them making it clear that Travellers weren't wanted.
Even though I've heard a lot of racism towards Travellers, I was surprised that in multi-cultural London a sign like that could remain in the open for some time. We took photos and reported the sign to the police, who promised they would investigate.
I went to the police station and made a long statement, stressing the seriousness of the crime. I made the point that such racist incidences prevent Travellers from getting legal work and getting on with their lives.
I stated that when there are signs like that it's not surprising that many Travellers in prison point to discrimination in schools and society as one factor that put them on the path to offending.
I stressed that, like everybody else, Travellers have a responsibility for their own actions. But I added that whenever Travellers as a group are singled out for unfair treatment it just means this section of society feel unjustly treated. Then everybody loses.
It is in the interests of the police and society that they pursue these cases of discrimination, otherwise Travellers will rightly feel aggrieved and disconnected.
Yesterday, I received a phone call from Islington Police Station. The CPS have decided not to pursue any action against the pub.

Hackney 2010
"Yes. Like going to pubs you see the sign "No Travellers", if you're having a wedding they won't give you a function room if they find out you're a Traveller. When you're walking on the street sometimes you get racist remarks". "Sometimes. Like the other day my children were being called trailer trash, but what's interesting to me was the week after the programme on Traveller's weddings on television they got some status in school. It's interesting how people can change their point of view if they're given enough information". "Sometimes. I suppose it's like every group, some people do look down on you. When you have to tick the box I used to put "other" and then write Traveller in but it's good to see they've got a "Traveller" box now, I always tick that…I have to make a point of ticking it 'cause that's who I am". "Yes and no…sometimes when you read the papers it puts you down so low…it's hard …but in Hackney in my day to day life no I don't". "Some place will have "Travellers By Appointment", so they cover their own backs without saying "No Travellers"
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