Hey Snuffy, Will try making the lines shorter. Maybe that will do it. I do know where the spin controls are....but i get the two above messages when i use them ("staff line...." and "draw note error 6....." sick of typing the whole message) I'm starting to wonder about the program. This is the first time that i've insisted on making it work since i bought it. I know it will be useful....once i crack the code!