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Thread #161452   Message #3848467
Posted By: Teribus
04-Apr-17 - 02:46 AM
Thread Name: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
Not going to argue about conjecture, but if it is conjecture you want, your premise is doubtful as the relevant passage was subsequently quoted in full five times later in that thread, who is to say that that would not have happened at least once without Shaw's intervention.

Still doesn't get round Shaw's subsequent deliberate barefaced lies and misrepresentation which it appears does not matter to you at all, but as a proven lying bastard it does tend to colour my opinion of anything he posts.

On another of your pals misrepresentations - No IDF soldier massacred any inhabitants of any refugee camp - Another Shaw lie you don't seem fussed about.

Your pal Jim Carroll tried to say that the Israelis secretly disposed of 3,500 bodies by burying under a sports stadium they constructed in Beirut in 1982. Carroll misrepresents these claims as what he calls verified fact citing eye-witnesses who by their own accounts if you read them saw nothing of the sort. Other easily demonstrated discrepancies regarding this fairy-tale of Carroll's are:

1: Nobody was taken to the Camille Chamoun Stadium until after the massacre by the Christian Phalange Militia had ended.

2: The Israelis constructed nothing on that site at the time. The Stadium had been destroyed by them as the PLO used it as an ammunition dump.

3: Destroyed in 1982 the Stadium was not rebuilt until 1997, when it was completely rebuilt by British and Lebanese engineers - In that total rebuild no bodies, or human remains were unearthed - very strange that considering there were supposed to be 3,500 bodies buried there in haste and in secret in 1982.

4: The stadium was further improved and reinforced so that it could withstand an earthquake of 8.6 on the Richter scale in 2015, that work involved extensive and very deep ground works, and yet, as in 1997 no bodies, or human remains were unearthed.

Now all of that Gnome suggests to me that there were no bodies buried under the Camille Chamoun Sports Stadium as described by Jim Carroll and that the whole story was a fabrication, a lie.