"The suggestion that the only people who should have a say on Zionism are the people who live in Israel is about as stupid as saying that only the people who live in North Korea should be allowed an opinion on their regime's policies." - Shaw

Did I say that? Is the Government of Israel "Zionist"? Last time I looked it wasn't, "The Zionist Union" was the main opposition party. Political parties in the Knesset describe them selves as being "Secular", "Zionist Labour", "Religious Zionist", "Liberal Zionist", Arab - One thing is certain Shaw, there are many and varied types of "Zionist" organisations in Israel and throughout the world - Not just one as Leon Rosselson stated. Tell me Shaw how many political parties are there represented in Gaza or in the Palestine Authority? Do they actually have an elected opposition, or did they all fly off the roofs of high-rises ten years ago? Tell me do you think the "Palestinians" will ever be given another chance to vote in an election? If so when do you think it might happen? Within our lifetime?

And yes Shaw the only people who do get a direct say in the policies of individual governments throughout the world are the electorates of those countries. As stated in my post Rosselson, Lerner and Lendman have got some bloody nerve advocating and dictating, from the safety of their homes in the UK and in the USA, policies that the Government of Israel should adopt that could well result in the mass slaughter of it's Jewish population.

The Wall and the drop in Israeli deaths can be easily checked Shaw:

"The barrier was built during the Second Intifada that began in September 2000, and was defended by the Israeli government as necessary to stop the wave of violence inside Israel that the uprising had brought with it. The Israeli government argues in defence of the wall, that between 2000 and July 2003 (completion of the "first continuous segment"), 73 suicide bombings were carried out from the West Bank, while from August 2003 to the end of 2006, only 12 attacks were carried out

Excuse me please, teacher Sir, but that is a reduction to 1/6th of the pre-wall number of incidents. Or if you would prefer it a reduction from an average of two suicide bombings a month over a three year period to one suicide bombing every three months over a similar three year period. Seems like one hell of an improvement and pretty effective to me Shaw.