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Thread #161908   Message #3853126
Posted By: Teribus
30-Apr-17 - 01:03 PM
Thread Name: BS: UK General Election
Subject: RE: BS: UK General Election
Well, Teribus, what evidence have you got that the Tories will be "strong and stable?"

After the mess left by the last UK Labour government they have taken an economy that was heading down the pan and transformed it into one of the best performing economies in the western world, despite all the "doom'n'gloom" predictions during the recent EU referendum.

"In the last two years they have endured a referendum result that they neither remotely expected nor remotely wanted, having been forced into the vote by their fear of a racist party and their own right wing"

In the last three years they've had to endure two referendums of immense importance and impact on the United Kingdom (Scottish Independence Referendum and the EU Referendum). The former they agreed to on request by the political party governing Scotland - the answer given by the electorate of Scotland was that they wished to remain as part of the United Kingdom, the SNP, the party governing Scotland declared at the time that this was a "once in a generation" referendum but within days of them not getting the result they sought changed their minds on that (Gnome please take note, leaders of all political parties change their minds as and when they deem it necessary). Situation is now that polls strongly indicate that any second Indy Ref in Scotland would result in an even bigger NO vote and that only 1 in 4 want a second Indy Ref. Unfortunately this paints Sturgeon into a corner as she has put the matter before the Scottish Parliament in Holyrood and they voted for a second Indy Ref that they now have to deliver or lose an enormous amount of credibility.

The other referendum on membership of the EU was actually promised the electorate of the UK by Gordon Brown in response to sovereign powers being handed over to Brussels and the EU Commission under the terms of the Lisbon Treaty. Didn't come to anything as at least three other EU member states rucked up by voting against it (The French in May 2005, the Dutch in June 2005 and the Irish in June 2008) so the EU Commission in cahoots with the likes of Brown fudged by renaming the Treaty and massaged it into existence via technicalities in 2009. In the 2010 election the Conservatives promised a referendum on EU Membership in their election manifesto, this promise foundered when the Conservatives failed to win an outright majority and had to form a coalition with the Liberal-Democrats who insisted that the EU referendum promise be dropped. There was quite rightly an outcry against this, but the bullet had to be bitten as anything was better than a Labour Government and everyone realised this. In 2015 the promise to hold a referendum on the UK's membership of the EU was in the Conservative Party election manifesto and as they won an overall majority the election promise was honoured and the EU referendum originally promised by Gordon Brown was delivered to the electorate of the UK - no forcing about it. The result of this referendum and the judgement of the electorate of the UK was to LEAVE the EU.

"they have lost their leader in consequence, replaced him with a remainer who has immediately changed her spots"

As the leader of the Government and also leader of the Remain campaign David Cameron had no other alternative apart from resignation when the electorate of the UK voted to leave the EU. The Conservative Party then elected a new leader and made a far better job of it than did the Labour Party in their 2015 leadership election. Irrespective of being a "Remainer" May was considered to be the best leader to carry things forward internationally and domestically by her Party and she honoured the wishes of the electorate to leave the EU by triggering Article 50, which she has successfully done.

totally screwed up the last budget in the clumsiest possible way and cynically inflicted an opportunist election on us only two years into the parliament in spite of being the architects of a fixed-term parliament system only a few short years ago.

Faced with emboldened rebels in her own Party and as you say a "screwed up budget" (Hammond's fault), along with jibes from the SNP at Westminster that she (May) had no personal endorsement or mandate to lead anything May exercised her right to call a General Election and got the backing of Parliament to do so. She did this at a time when all opposition parties are in total chaos - not bad judgement on her part then? Plus all the boxes ticked if the Conservatives win on 9th June, which all those in the know reckon they will:

1 - The tory rebels silenced
2 - The opportunity to sort the budget shambles out by next autumn
3 - "Wee Nippy" up in Edinburgh silenced

On the other stuff?

The NHS has always been "disintegrating", I've never known a time that it wasn't irrespective of how much money or resources are thrown at it. The care system is and has to be part and parcel of this in conjunction with the citizens of this country who believe it or not do have responsibilities to themselves and to their families.

Same goes for education although I think the present government are on the right track.

Oh yes, there are plenty of signs of strength, stability in the vital areas that matter for the country as a whole and just think it could be one hell of a lot worse if we had Corbyn and Labour in charge we'd have been knocking on the door of the IMF months ago. Just off-hand I cannot think of a single Labour policy that has been run out that has the endorsement of the Party as a whole - at the moment they cannot even agree on the usual empty rhetoric.