Well, yeah, Greg, that's correct if you happen to believe in a God that writes the script and that we are all puppets acting out that script.

I think that's a rather shallow view of God, and I do not subscribe to it. But it's that shallow view that Fry and Hitchens and Dawkins and so many others subscribe to. Very few believers hold that view of God. But many of the unbelievers do - and then they attack the absurd god that is their own creation.

I believe the problems you speak of evolved, due to both accident and logical consequences; and that we have both the ability and the obligation to redirect that evolution.

-Joe-

And I still want to hear what Steve has to say about David and circumcision. David cut off a lot of Philistine foreskins - what about his own? [1 Samuel 18:27]