The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #161997   Message #3854289
Posted By: Steve Shaw
10-May-17 - 03:26 PM
Thread Name: BS: Stephen Fry Blasphemy
Subject: RE: BS: Stephen Fry Blasphemy
Well I'm a Mudcat atheist and I don't go around insulting people here because they have a faith to follow. It's what you do with what you've got that's paramount. My strong view is that no-one can claim the slightest justification for trying to spread their personal faith to other people, be they your children or your students or whoever they are. Just remember that faith is belief without evidence. The whole basis of education is to enthuse people about looking for evidence. There is no such thing as a Catholic child or a Muslim child. If you send your child to a school, or a Sunday school, or take them to a service where they will be told that untrue stories are true, you are a hundred times worse than the most insulting atheist you can think of. At least he isn't trying to force young people to accept myth as truth. Yes you can get points across by fables. But your starting point is to say that what I'm about to tell you is a fable, not a true story, though there will be a lesson to learn from it. When Jesus, if he existed, told people parables, the recipients knew they were hearing parables. We live in a world in which hundreds of millions of people think that Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine and raised the dead, finally coming back from the dead himself. That's what the Church wants you to think because that's the way the Church exerts control over you. If you are not telling your vulnerable audience that these are stories, not the truth, you are wicked. You are not trying to propagate deeper truths at all. You are trying to catch people while they are young. I don't care what irrational beliefs people cling to. I'm a football fanatic and I perfectly understand why people need to be allowed to have their own little irrational corner. But I'll never do anyone any harm by supporting Liverpool (doesn't always do my own nerves much good, mind). Persuading people to believe in God by dealing in dishonesty is the very opposite. That's not meant to be an insult. That's meant to be a challenge.