I am happy to return to the thread given the new guidelines.

Al has a very good point

how can it have significance...other than mindless brutality.
its just the same kind of angst behind Columbine, Hungerford, Dunblane.

It is the same. As I said early on, these people are criminals, even if they see themselves as something else and it is as criminals they should be treated. There is no single line of blame nor is there one single solution.

DtG