Emperor Rap - I believe that the "discussion" between Jom and myself was centred around the protest march commonly referred to as "Bloody Sunday" (Expect a post from a mad Canadian any minute). But as you brought up your list let's take a look at the Indian ones.

As recorded in history there have to-date been 108 "massacres" on the Indian subcontinent:

23 of them occurred in pre-colonial times
15 of them occurred in colonial times
70 of them have occurred since India became independent

It would appear Rap that our presence acted as a restraining influence.

Ventersburg: - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - in fact nobody shot at all.

Boer Camps: - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - nobody shot at all, deaths in the camps resulted from disease, the same disease that swept through the military camps with roughly the same effect.

burning of Cork - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - in fact nobody shot down at all.

"New Villages": - Malaya Emergency during the "War of the Running Dogs" (The first successful defence against a communist backed insurrection) - Nobody shot down protesting home rule - in fact nobody shot down at all.

Chumik Shenko: - Tibet no civilians involved at all there Rap and the first shot fired was by a Tibetan Officer.

Berwick: - 1296 FFS!! Part of the Anglo-Scottish War of independence - Standard and acknowledged practice of the time throughout Europe and elsewhere - If a fortified city or castle resists a siege after having been first invited to surrender with no bloodshed and forces the attacker to fight his way into the city (Normally at great cost in men to the attacker) then no mercy is shown, a condition that is made clear at the time the offer of the opportunity to surrender is given.

Bolton: - 1644 this time Rap and part of the extremely bloody civil war - same thing as Berwick above.

Dunaverty: - 1647 Civil war again this time in Scotland - NOT an instance of deliberate Government policy what occurred here was a case of Scottish Highland treachery on the part of the Campbell Duke of Argyll. Argyll was later tried and executed for treason and Dunaverty was listed as one of his crimes.

Dunoon: - 1646 Civil War inter clan thrash between the Campbells and the Lamonts - business as usual in the Highlands.

Ballymurphy: - AKA Bloody Sunday

Iraq (1920): - Ever heard of the League of Nations Rap?

Deccan Plateau: - ??? India 1948 - India became independent in 1947 Rap.

Paoli: - 1777 and a fight between soldiers, only called a "massacre" because the Americans lost. In order to ensure that no accidental discharge of a musket would alert the enemy during this night attack the British Commander ordered his men to remove the flints from their muskets - so in this "massacre" Rap only the American soldiers could shoot anybody.

If you are going to chip in and run Rap, question and comment on what is being said in context of the "discussion" taking place.

Now as you have opened the door - if it is civilian deaths at the hands of Governments that you wish to discuss or comment upon. Yes it happens and the term used to describe it is "democide" the wilful and deliberate killing of civilians by their rulers. The top ten democides in the world going back to Genghis Khan are responsible for the deaths of some 189 million people Rap, now here's the "kicker", no British ruler, or Prime Minister; no US President, or administration features in this "Top Ten" list of "super democides". What we do have featured in that "Top Ten" (Including spots 1 & 2) are four Communist Leaders who between themselves were responsible for killing 121 million out of the 189 million total.

It is absolutely idiotic to transpose the political, social or moral thinking, standards and mores of the 21st Century and apply them to past history - those who do make it impossible to understand the events being studied. I am far from blind to history, that accusation should be levelled at those who consistently misrepresent events (As you have done in your post) and trot out myths as fact (Which Jom does all the time).