You really aren't getting this, are you, Keith. I don't give a monkey's flying fart about those two issues in the context of this thread. Do you know why? Because you clearly have ulterior motives for dredging up the stories and I don't wish to be drawn into your stupid little game. When I meet normal, balanced people with honest and open minds I discuss these issues or issues like them. But I'm not discussing them with you because you are closed-minded and have one aim only, to smear the Labour Party. You and your sorry Tory ilk need to realise that smearing Labour has just lost you your majority. It's yesterday's tactic, Keith, and the fact that you won't give it up makes you yesterday's man.