Greg, despite all the days of abuse Steve does not disagree with anything I or Senoufou have said, and neither does PFR.

If that is not true, I challenge them to quote something I have said that they think is wrong.

All that nastiness was for nothing.
It drove at least one person, Nigel, from the thread and at least one, Senoufou, away from Mudcat altogether.

Why do you people have to be so nasty all the time?
Why not just discuss the issues?
We need people like Senoufou much more than we need you and your aggression.

Steve,
I have also made the same case as Dave in a number of carefully-considered posts in this thread.

Really? You have not said if you oppose the labelling Halal or not!
Never mind all the other things, we are talking about Halal and Kosher. Yes or no?

Your case appears to be that halal meat should be be labelled as such.

Yes it is. Do you agree or not?

Your words. Halal is an Islamic tradition. You have homed in on it as though it's some kind of egregious practice that we simply must be told about, far more significant than all the other welfare issues.

Completely untrue. It is not more significant than other issues like hormones, antibiotics and intensive rearing.
I can avoid all of those by buying organic.

Halal and Kosher killing is a significant issue because the RSPCA and the Veterinary Association say it causes unnecessary suffering, but there is no requirement for it to be labelled.
Why do you object to it being labelled, if you do!