"was just a nice way of calling somebody a liar."
Americans always have had a poor grasp of the English language
If I gave the impression I was accusing you of telling lies, I apologise
I have been saying that you have been avoiding important questions throughout this argument - that was what I meant
"Jim, I'm going to have to see a quote to believe I would say such a thing. "
You put something up about a local "victims rights" group to illustrate how those seekers for justice abused their position - isn't that comparison an indication that you believe claimants cannot be trusted - if not, what's it doing here?
Again, if I have got that wrong, I apologise.
And still you prevaricate
I've said on numerous occasions that I believe that how the actual perpetrators should be dealt with is something for the victims to decide, or if not, to at least have an input into.
My point has been all along is that it is how the Church, Churches, Diocese, Bishop, archbishops, Popes.... whoever, dealt with what was certainly common knowledge   
The church, as a body, were part of these crimes, for ignoring them or for facilitating them by assisting the perps bt passing them on to parishes were their "little weaknesses" were not known.
I really find it upsetting to fall out with you over this, but you honestly do not seem to have grasped the seriousness - both to the victims and to the genuine believers whose lives have been turned upside-down by these revelations.
I am ashamed to say that I find myself pleased that people like the Lenihans, or Martin Reidy or Junior and Cissie Crehan.... or any of those kind gentle people who used to splash holy water over us from the little font by the door as we left their homes (because we hadn't done it for ourselves) did not survive to experience what is happening now.
They were as much betrayed by what was happening as those who were the actual victims
Jim Carroll