I'm not sure what else mum has tried to make on the "dilute to taste" line, Dave. Her other with long standing popularity here comes from fruit we planted rather than things that were just there. That's a blackcurrant one which seems to keep more of a "just picked" taste/or maybe smell that Ribena to me seems to loose. They are not made every year but production of this and the elderflower one are done in batches. Between those and our own apple juice we can have the bottom half of small chest freezer in the porch pretty well stocked up with soft drinks...