No, Trump and the rise of these hate groups is the dear price we've had to pay , as a country, for allowing these groups {as well as "infowars, Breibart & associated lying asshole organizations} to operate and proliferate - PRE TRUMP- without calling them out for the scum they are and dealing with them instead of pretending they did not exist in a "post-racial Unied States".

Absolutely spot on, Greg. The whole spirit of the free speech mantra in your country has been usurped by the far right. They get to say whatever they like. Free speech, hate speech, all the same thing. But the very first thing a fascist does when he gets power is to curb free speech. Free speech in a fascist country puts you in jail or makes you disappear, yet you defend the right of your native fascists to exercise their free speech. Now there's a laugh. To me, free speech doesn't mean hate speech. It doesn't mean fearmongering speech or intimidating speech. It doesn't mean bigotry speech. I can't think of anything less free than hate, fearmongering, intimidation and bigotry. But that's what it means to these people. They are taking advantage of your vacillating, politically-correct, indecisive behaviour regarding whatever amendment your fossil ancients came up with when they weren't actually throwing crusts to their slaves. After two hundred years your country is still paralysed. Can't move on. You have the most advanced industry in the world but you're shackled by antiquated and bigoted notions about what freedom really means. You can't see that freedom for black people means freedom from racial discrimination, freedom from hatred, freedom from being regarded as inferior. You'd rather regard freedom as been able to say what the bloody hell you like regardless of the hurt you cause. Well that isn't the kind of freedom you should be aspiring toward or defending, because it isn't freedom at all. So, Joe, kindly don't tell us that we don't get it. It's you who doesn't get it, not us.