I refer you to my posing of 14 Aug 17 - 01:20 PM and comment that this has gone far from sensible discussion.

It is a known fact that once some people decide they just want to argue the thread will go rapidly downhill. I am not going to add to it. No skin off my nose if it is closed or not but I think, as I was the initiator of the thread, I do have some say over the direction it should go. The moderation team may disagree and I will respect their decision but once a place has been shit on, it becomes unpleasant to visit.

DtG