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Thread #162903   Message #3883517
Posted By: Steve Shaw
20-Oct-17 - 09:47 AM
Thread Name: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
Subject: RE: BS: Catalonia: pros and cons of separation
Not true, Nigel. Out of thousands of EU laws we have disagreed with some points in about fifty of them. The figure is around five percent of the laws that we have wholly or partly disagreed with. It is not a simple matter of being "outvoted." We are an integral part of the lawmaking process. And, by implication, you accept that we do get to vote on things, therefore taking part in collective, democratic decision-making. You don't get to vote on things being dictatorially imposed. Have some numbers, gleaned from the Full Facts website from June 2016:

Since 1999, the UK voted no on laws subsequently passed at EU level 56 times (2%)

The UK abstained on laws subsequently passed 70 times (3%)

The UK voted yes on laws subsequently passed 2,466 times (95%)

But the UK doesn't just vote. Along with all the other countries it negotiates those laws. The numbers don't show laws that failed to pass, which on occasion would partly or mainly have been as a result of our influence.

You may not feel like you're a part of the EU but you are. The EU is an association of citizens in 28 countries. I don't like the idea of being a capitalist, but I am one as I don't live in a cave eating rabbits and wild fruits.



As for your suggested reason for the referendum result, I don't really think you are in a position to read the minds of millions of voters.