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Thread #162550   Message #3883807
Posted By: Richie
22-Oct-17 - 12:03 AM
Thread Name: Origins: Madam, I Have Come To Court You
Subject: RE: Origins: Madam, I Have Come To Court You
Steve,

If you look at the seven types of children's songs that use text from "Madam" in my post before last-- it's clear that the nursery songs and the nursery ring-game songs are different than the "On the Mountain" game songs of Roud 2603 which are the focus of the study.

As far as I know there are only two type 1 versions-- nursery songs by Halliwell and Newell. Type 1 are shortened versions of Madam. All the other children's songs with the nursery song texts have ring-game instructions and there are at least four of these. Type 2 are also shortened versions of Madam.

The other five types 3-7 are variants of the "On the Mountain" game songs of Roud 2603. I think it's clear that they are different. I just thought it prudent to include all the children's songs in the study.

Richie