Can I just add as a response to Tim's insulting comment that, some time ago I offered two large examples of examples of what I believe the tradition is - bone of the people here have taken up that offer though several others have
Dave apparently wants me to lay out my wares as if I was selling frocks
I certainly do want people want to sing the songs - this particular bunch is so afraid of them they can't even be bothered to listen to them and what's been said about them
That's real principled debate for you!!!
Jim Carroll