can i just point out Steve the title of this thread.

it isn't about what Jim thinks about folk music - its about what is happening in our folk clubs.
Jim thinks we have sunk to level of decadence from the ideals of the Critics Group and Ewan MacColl in his magnificence.
I don't. I think they serve the needs of our society and as such give an avenue of expression which most countries could only dream of, and is a great embodiment of our political and artistic freedom.

if you want hamper and restrict the civil freedoms of English citizens - join the club. The tory party would love to dictate that you only sing ballads of the 18th century. in many countries you would be risking death to organise an evening of free expression. it may seem despicable rubbish to Jim and you. i admit at times its trivial and frequently musically awful - but its an important freedom.