Trouble is, Snail, though I hear of your indefatigable work in making your club a success, which I honestly consider to be admirable, you are not listening. Over several posts I have told you how much I owe to folk clubs. The polarisation here means that you didn't see that bit. You only saw the bit that you didn't want to see, the negative bit. Well I am by no means negative about the folk club scene. But your challenge is to tell us what, if anything, is wrong with our analysis, honestly put, that folk clubs can be a bit stultifying, a bit inward-looking and a bit exclusive-feeling. I didn't say your club. Though, if you don't recognise what I'm saying, well maybe you haven't been to enough clubs. Indeed, neither have I. So tell me how you know. Finally, my post was constructive. Yours was defensive. Why do you worry so?