" I hesitate to repeat my claim about the person who thinks the world revolves around himself "
Why do you resort to this personal shit Vic - you really were once better than that, or I thought you were?
You are no different that the rest of this pack with their insults, dishonesty and evasion
This has never been about me except when people like you choose it to be - it is about the music as far as I'm concerned - the same music that was recorded in the early 1950s and launched us all off on this wonderful voyage of discovery
You have all lied and distorted when you claim that my argument about clubs was based on the '54 definition - it never has been - '54 is a guide for research, no more, and even then it is one that needs revisiting.
You were offered my definition in example, over and over again - you ran like frightened sheep from it - a few took up my offer, but none of the bullies and strutters here - not interested in real argument when faced with a case to respond to
No - you don't have to come running at Collin's statement, you were asked to respond to what she said - you still haven't
I didn't ask for a thumbnail sketch of her history - I knew some of it anyway
Bryan stumps up a three year old article as if she was saying something different then - she wasn't - not about the music anyway
You have attempted to censor and denigrate my opinions by suggesting I have hi-jacked this thread - I had a lot to say, sure, but that could have been sorted out by responding to it with honest answers - none were forthcoming
I was told there were many definitions of folksong - the only one proffered was the mind-numbing "what happens in folk clubs" - how pathetic is that?
Your responses went from bad to worse when Iains arrived with his ' nobody has a right to an opinion unless they salute the flag and love Mad Maggie' level of rejection of argument and his 'you're stupid if you don't like the same things I do'
My definition is as it has always been -
Sam Larner singing Henry Martin
Phil Tanner singing Banks of the Sweet Primroses
Walter Pardon singing the Rambling Blade
Ned Adams sing The Bold Princess Royal
Cecilia Costello singing The Grey Cock and The Cruel Mother (she's worth two)
Mary Delaney singing What Will We do and Buried in Kilkenny (so is she)
And Sheila Stewart singing the beautiful folk tragedy that rivals Hamlet, Tiftie's Annie
They are the tip of the giant iceberg of folk songs that represent 'The Voice of the People' for me
Geldof doesn't even get a look in the window, never mind a seat by the folk fire, even if the laws of copyright allowed him to take one up.
The OP asked what has happened to our folk clubs - he and I got our answer - they have fallen into the hands of people who no longer know what folk song is and care even less.
I see a number of postings saying what a great time people have had at folk clubs, but fail to describe what they listen to
It's always intrigued my that a Forum that describes itself as this one does has made serious discussion of folk song a no-go area peppered with abuse and personal insult
Here its sunk to the level of describing criticism of the status quo as 'mental instability'
You people really do need to take a serious look at yourselves when you allow discussion to reach that level without comment
As far as the club scene, I see much common sense in Jack Campin's last posting
Theyare not places I would wish to take someone I wished to introduce to folk song either - not any more, they're not
Jim Carroll
JIm Carroll