At this stage in the proceedings, we need to pause for a moment and leave aside our attempts to define folk song and what is wrong with folk clubs for just a short while. The fact is that we need to be able to define Californiconus californicus. Do you think that you could help us with that, Jim? or others? Then, we can return to the absorbing, engrossing cut and thrust of intellectual discussions that have characterised so much of this thread.