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Posted By: Richie
17-Nov-17 - 08:49 PM
Thread Name: Origins: Madam, I Have Come To Court You
Subject: RE: Origins: Madam, I Have Come To Court You
Hi,

Long time, no post :) Here is the finished study of "On the Mountain Stands a Lady": http://bluegrassmessengers.com/8c-on-a-mountain-stands-a-lady.aspx I've rewritten it.

These are the versions and how they are organized:

8C. On a Mountain Stands a Lady (Children's game song variants) Roud 2603; "There Stands a Lady" (Sharp); "There Stands a Lady on the Mountain;" "Yonder Stands a Lovely Lady;" "There She Stands a Lovely Creature;" "Lady on the Mountain" (Opie); "Lady on Yonder Hill;"

A. Nursery songs (stanzas of "Madam" sung by children)
a. "Madam I Am Come to Court You," published by Halliwell-Phillips in a number of books of nursery rhymes including the 1846 book, "The Nursery Rhymes of England, obtained principally from oral tradition."
b. "There She Stands, a Lovely Creature" from New York Games and songs of American children, collected and compared by W.W. Newell by American children, 1883.

B. Nursery songs texts (stanzas of "Madam" with game instructions)
a. "Here she stands, a lovely creature," sung by Washington children. From Lippincott's Monthly Magazine, Volume 37, 1886; "Song Games and Myth Dramas at Washington," by W. H. Babcock.
b. "Here Stands a Lovely Creature," from "Singing games," a 1890 book of children's game songs, by Josephine Pollard (1834-1892) and Ferdinand Schuyler Matthews (1854-1938). Published in New York by McLoughlin Bros.
c. "A Spanish Lady." A Cornwall informant quotes (Dec. 11, 1909) a version formerly heard at Colborne, Ont., which he supposes to be Irish. From Journal of American Folklore, Volume 31, 1917; "Canadian Folk-Lore from Ontario" by F. W. Waugh.
d. "Here Stands a Lovely Creature" hybrid collected in Australia before 1972 by Ian Turne- see Cinderella Dressed in Yella, New York, 1972; reprinted in The Bulletin of Sydney (December, 1998).

C. Children's game songs with standard "Here Stands a Lady" opening
a. "Yonder stands a lovely lady" (my title) collected by Robert Charles Hope from a Derbyshire servant-girl. From: The Folk-lore Journal, Volume 1 - Page 387, 1883 by Folklore Society (Great Britain).
b. "Here Stands a Lady," from Burne, "Shropshire Folk-Lore II" (1885) p.509 (see also Gomme III)
c. "Stands a lady" from Miss R. L. Husk, "Notes and Queries" 1892, collected in Shipley, Horsham (see also Gomme IV)
d. "The Lady On The Mountain" From "Old Berkshire School Games" by Emma Elizabeth Thofts published in The Antiquary: A Magazine Devoted to the Study of the Past, Volume 27; edited by Edward Walford, George Latimer Apperson, 1893. Reprinted in Gomme as VII.
e. "There's a Lady on the Mountain." From Children's Games communicated by Miss Nina Layard of Ipswich in Suffolk Folk-lore, Issue 37, Part 2 edited by Lady Eveline Camilla Gurdon, 1893.
f. "There Lives a Lady" collected by Miss G. M. Frances of Colchester, Essex, Gomme B. From Dictionary of British Folk-lore, Volume 1, edited by G. Laurence Gomme, 1894.
g. "There Stands a Lady" collected by Miss D. Kimball of Wrotham, Kent, Gomme E. From Dictionary of British Folk-lore, Volume 1, edited by G. Laurence Gomme, 1894.
h. "Lady on the Ocean," collected by(from) Miss Chase of Deptford, Gomme F, from Dictionary of British Folk-lore, Volume 1; edited by G. Laurence Gomme, 1894.
i. "There Stands a Lady." From "Children's Singing-Games"published in the Monthly Packet edited by Colreidge and Innes (London)- page 345, 1897 dated circa May 1896 from a paper compiled by Lucy Finch on the games played at Wing, Rutlandshire. Reprinted in Hinkson's "Victorian Singing Games" (1991) p.37.
j. "There Stands a Lady on the Mountain." Collected by Judge Udal in Dorset, published in Folk-Lore Journal Vol. 7, 1897. See also reprint in "Dorset Children's Doggerel Rhymes" by Herbert Pentin, 1918 Proceedings- Dorset Natural History and Archaeological Society.
k. "There Stands a Lady. " From the chapter "Courting Songs" in "The Study of Man" by Alfred Cort Haddon of Inisfail, Cambridge; 1898.
l. "There's a Lady Over Yonder" sung by Miss Jeannie Brown, c. 1907, Greig-Duncan 8 p.143.

D. Children's game songs with standard "Here Stands a Lady" opening which are similar to folk (Mummers) plays
a. "Lady on Yonder Hill" sung by Suffolk children. Gomme's title. From "Children's Games communicated by Miss Nina Layard Ipswich" in Suffolk Folk-lore, Issue 37, Part 2 edited by Lady Eveline Camilla Gurdon, 1893. Reprinted by Gomme in her book, Dictionary of British Folk-lore, Volume 1 as one of two versions of the game song, "Lady on Yonder Hill."
b. "Yonder Stands a Lovely Lady," collected by Robert Charles Hope from a Derbyshire servant-girl. From: The Folk-lore Journal, Volume 1 - Page 387, 1883 by Folklore Society (Great Britain).

E. Children's game songs with standard "Here Stands a Lady" opening that are composites of "Madam Will you Walk (Keys of Heaven)."
a. "There Stands A Lady" (Keys of Heaven) from John Barnett of Bridgwater, Somerset on 12 April, 1906. From: Cecil Sharp Manuscript Collection (at Clare College, Cambridge) (CJS2/10/874) (Singing Game)
b. "There Stands a Lady" (The Keys of Heaven) from Gillington's " Old Surrey Singing Games and Skipping Rope Rhymes" 1909.
c. "There Stands a Lady," collected from girls at Littleport Town Girls' School by Cecil Sharp. 8 Sept 1911 at Littleport, Cambridgeshire.
d. "There Stands a Lady." From Norman Douglas, "London Street Games" (1st edition, 1916) pp. 85-87.
e. "There Stands a Lady." from the TV sitcom series "Liver Birds" set in Liverpool that aired from 1969 to 1979.

F. Children's skipping or jump rope game versions with "On the mountain stands a lady" standard opening followed by invitations for new participants to enter and leave the game.
a. "On a Mountain Stands a Lady," John Hornby, "The Joyous Book of Singing Games." Collected and Arranged with Pianoforte Accompaniments, New York: The Macmillan Co., 1914.
b. "Lady on the Mountain," dated c.1916. From "Clog Clatters in Old Sutton" by Frank Bamber, 1995. Recollection of a childhood spent in Sutton in borough of St. Helens, Merseyside in Lancashire.
c. "On a Hillside Stands a Lady" dated c.1940. From: Southern California Jump-Rope Rhymes: A Study in Variants by Ray B. Browne from Western Folklore, Vol. 14, No. 1 (Jan., 1955), pp. 3-22.
d. "On The Mountain Stands a Lady," c.1945. From: "Childhood Memories of Huyton." Huyton is a borough of Knowsley in Merseyside, Liverpoool.
e. "On the Mountain Stands a Lady," recalled from Cribbs School, Michigan about 1945. From Recollecting the Forties - page 60 by Carol L. Stone, 2000.
f. "On a Mountain Stands a Lady" sung by London girls c. 1948. From Mudcat Discussion Forum as posted by by Desideratum1731 on 23 April, 2011. "We girls sang it when skipping in the 40s and 50s in London."
g. "On a Hill There Lives a Lady," collected by Sue Shanks from Lola Kennedy of Monongalia County, West Virginia before 1948. From: Musick: Hoosier Folklore 7:1 (1948) pp. 11-12.
h. "On the Mountain." From a film of children singing in 1950 at Norton Park School in Edinburgh, Scotland (released 1951). From the short film, "The Singing Street," made in 1950 at Norton Park School in Edinburgh, Scotland by by Nigel McIsaac, Raymond Townsend andf James T. Ritchie.
i. "On the Corner Stands a Lady," c.1950 Roud A. No informant named from Hamphire, 1950s. Taken from Roud's "The Lore of the Playground: One hundred years of children's games" 2010.
j. "On a Mountain Stands a Lady" sung by school children from Edinburgh recorded August, 1954 by Hamlish Henderson; from School of Scottish Studies; SA1954.103.
k. "On a Mountain" from East York Children (Toronto, Ontario) 1959 as collected by Edith Fowke. From Canadian folklore - page 85 by Edith Fowke - 1988 see also "Sally Go Round the Sun: Three Hundred Children's Songs, Rhymes and Games," by Edith Fowke - 1969.
l. "On the Mountain Stands a Lady" No location or date collected given. From Growth Through Play by Albert M. Farina published by Prentice-Hall, Englewood Cliffs, N.J., 1959.
m. "On a Mountain Stands a Lad," sung by Lucy Stewart of Old Deer, Aberdeenshire, recorded June, 1960 by Prof. Kenneth Goldstein; From School of Scottish Studies; SA1960.171.
n. "On a Mountain Stands a Lady" sung by Pete Elliot and family of Co. Durham, Birtley. Recorded by MacColl and Seeger. From "The Elliots of Birtley" a 1962 Folkways recording.
o. "On a Mountain Stands a Lady," c.1965 from Mudcat Discussion Forum, 2010 from Guest from Canada.
p. "On a Mountain Stands a Lady," 1968 Callow A, From The James T. Callow Folklore Archive of Detroit Michigan.
q. "On a Mountain," collected in Grand Rapids, Michigan in September, 196, Callow B. From The James T. Callow Folklore Archive.
r. "Jump-Rope Rhyme," Callow C. From The James T. Callow Folklore Archive, collected in Detroit, Michigan in September, 10-15, 1969.
s. "On the Mountain Stands a Lady," dated 1971 Opie B. From Children's games with things: marbles, fivestones, throwing and Catching, Gambling, Hopscotch, Chucking and Pitching, Ball-Bouncing, Skipping, Tops and Tipcat by Iona Archibald Opie and ‎Peter Opie - 1997.
t. "On the Mountain Stands a Castle," from Scotland, 1974 Opie C. From "Children's games with things: marbles, fivestones, throwing and Catching, Gambling, Hopscotch, Chucking and Pitching, Ball-Bouncing, Skipping, Tops and Tipcat" by Iona Archibald Opie, ‎Peter Opie - 1997.
u. "There's a Lady On the Mountain," from Norfolk 1975 Opie D. From Children's games with things: marbles, fivestones, throwing and Catching, Gambling, Hopscotch, Chucking and Pitching, Ball-Bouncing, Skipping, Tops and Tipcat by Iona Archibald Opie, ‎Peter Opie - 1997.
v. "On a Mountain," from Paddy resident of Liverpool, 2008. Posted by Paddy on Skipping songs from the past - YO! Liverpool.

G. Children's skipping or jump rope versions with the "On the mountain stands a lady" standard opening combined with stanzas of other songs (see also C).
a. "Happy Hooligan" Unknown informant. From The New Yorker: Nov 13, 1937. Reprinted in A Treasury Of American Folklore, Botkin- page 801, 1944.
b. "On the Mountain Stands a Lady," collected from children by Andrew D. Miller in Edinburgh, Scotland. From "Golden City: Scottish Children's Street Games & Songs" page 165, by James T. R. Ritchie- 1965.
c. "On a Mountain Stands a Lady," sung by children of S. London in 1974, Roud B. From "The Lore of the Playground: One hundred years of children's games, by Steve Roud - 2010.
d. "On a Hillside Stands a Lady," recording as schoolgirls from Huish Episcopi, Somerset, continue to demonstrate and perform playground games and songs for Iona Opie. The tape was recorded in August, 1978. From Opie collection of children's games & songs C898-76-02.
e. "On the Hillside," girls from Belfast, 2000. From Mudcat Discussion Forum, 2000 posted by Jimmy C. This version is nearly identical to the Liverpool version in Hope Place by Michael Wynne.
f. "On the Mountain." Posted by Jean from SW Scotland in 2004 on TalkingScot discussion board.
g. "On a Hillside Stands a Lady" from Newry, County Down. From anon post in "Newry Journal History and Reminiesence" from Newry, Ireland (no. 20); February 1, 2006

Richie