It's a lot simpler than you think Raedwulf. Keith may or may not be some of the things you suggest but I am sure my repeating mantra about him explains most of them

Different morality
Different language
Different planet

He will also try to make you jump through hoops that are completely unnecessary and often not even part of the discussion in question if you let him. The trick is to not do it although I must admit it is difficult sometimes.

As for Steve and his alignment to the scousers. Well, we can allow people their foibles but just don't ask him about Lilo Lil and the bingo debacle.

DtG