Stop acting thick, Nigel. They were surveys, polls, taking samples. Not a secret ballot. People with metaphorical clipboards asking members after the event how they voted. They do that with election exit polls, which can prove to be a damn sight more accurate than opinion polls. I've already quoted two that gave slightly different percentages. That's what you get with surveys. One was YouGov, one was part of a Party Members Project funded by a perfectly respectable organisation. I can't tell you how they went about their surveys. On this occasion I've decided that members would have had little motivation to lie about their voting decisions and I'm up for taking the results at face value as a fair, if not super-accurate, indicator of sentiment among party members. You can please yourself. Keep gnawing away at this, Nige, but there's no meat left on the bone, honest there isn't.