Please ignore absolutely anything and everything that I may say. I was accused of having a similar trait back in 1992. I had just downsized the six different departments that worked for me from 185 people down to 93 with a 200% productivity increase in one. Many of the people who worked for me would have walked over broken glass to do anything I asked of them. They were all working together with the same goals for the first time in the history of the company. This was MY team. We did everything and more that was asked of us. The problem was that I had a few 95 Db discussions with my immediate director about different aspects of the job. Mine was an area that he knew nothing about (engineering, tooling & stuff), he had come from procurement (buying) background. His problem was that he could not control me. I therefore became "NOT A TEAM PLAYER". So my advice would be to get the F%&k out of there. Perceptions of the idiots that you work for can invariably NOT be changed. Go somewhere else, it will be better for your own peace of mind and the way you work. If you stay, you will be constantly prejudging your own decisions and ideas, just to try to achieve what someone else thinks you should do. You will become stifled and be unhappy. In the end you wil hate your job. Stay ONLY if they pay you an exhorbitant ammount of money. Above all ignore all my advice, I was layed off myself in 1993 by a guy I worked for for three weeks, after 15 years with the company. I spent 3 years enjoying myself making little money. Now I am totally miserable and have been for the past 4 1/2 years making lots of money, back at the same place on contract. I wish I could just listen to myself. I'm not BITTER either, just a liar. JohnB