Mav,

"It's a citizen's duty to cast their INFORMED vote" I think that citizens should be informed about the issues before they vote. I think that citizens should vote. It is their right, not their duty. Do you think there should be penalties if people don't vote? That's one possible implication of the term "duty".

"It's the parent's responsibility to educate their children" Does society have a responsibility to ask for a certain quality of that education?

"It's a woman's responsibility not to risk getting pregnant until she's capable of being "responsible" (married) " And the man has no responsibility? I'm sure others will have lots to say on that. The implication of your statement, however, shows a profound disrespect for both men and women.

"It's a man's responsibility to provide for any children he's sired." Ah, having bourne the child, the women's job is done?. By "provide", do you mean provide materially only? And does the community have any responsibilities here. Forget the government. Does the Church? Boy/Girl Scouts. Little League? What if the woman works and the man stays home? What if all the man does is provide materially?.

It's a citizen's responsibility to be properly trained in the safe operation and ownership of their firearms. Damn. We agree on something. "It's the parent's responsibility to raise respectful, thoughtful and obedient children so they may become the good citizens and leaders of tomorrow.". Respect is earned. Politeness is owed. (IMO). Thoughtful is nice. Obedient? To what or to whom? Obedient to the internal set of values, ethics, morals and beliefs I've helped my son develop? Sure. Willing to accept the consequences of those beliefs, that to. Blind obedience, even to positive and good things, is very dangerous. Solutions and consequences, again. They go hand in hand. "There are some extra-responsibilities too, like community or faith based organizations which can take care of and place unwanted children in loving homes, instead of just killing them" The criteria imposed for adoption in this country have little to do with the loving nature of the home. "Uh....many of those "right wing extremists" fought for and many died on behalf of your freedom. They take an oath to DEFEND the Constitution." Freedom is won, or lost, by the day to day actions of its citizens. The sacrifice of those who fought an died must never be forgotten. Liberals, moderates and a lot of others fought an died too. They fought to defend the rights, not define correct behavior, whether on the right or left. "That would be CHARITY by the church, where it belongs" Christ said charity is the responsibility of the individual and family, not the Church. And I seem to remember that "charity" in the original, implies a lot more than material help.

In replying to kimmers, you said. "It would be if you are an anti-christian bigot" As I'm not anti-Christian and work like hell not to be a bigot, let me offer this. I finally got into the site kimmers recommended. From the descriptions it would appear that the same poor scholarship (from whatever motivation) that I've found in some public school texts exists here in spades. Whether the motive is to promote a particular flavor of Christianity, liberal political correctness or some other agenda, lousy scholarship is criminal. At least with the public school system I have an opportunity to at least put in my two cents worth. When ideology is a more important consideration than scholarship, I have real problems. As a member of society, I'll have to deal with the graduates of such a system who elevate political/religious/conservative/liberal "correctness" over mere facts. I object. I should not have to subsidize that kind of sloppy education. The goal of education should be on how to think, not what to think.

The RWE have a very bad habit of believing in the golden rule as long as the people they are doing unto believe the way they do. LWE have a similar problem with their political correctness agenda. Fortunately, the majority seem to be more moderate, tolerant and rational.

The danger in all the labeling is that we forget that the real "enemy" can be found staring back from the mirror every morning.

Regards John