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Thread #162855   Message #3900119
Posted By: DMcG
17-Jan-18 - 04:24 AM
Thread Name: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
Firstly: What we would consider as 'good news' you may not.
Secondly: The good news cannot really be claimed until it is accomplished, and that will not be until we have completed the negotiation period, and either come to an agreement, or not.

I agree with that. There is a lot of subjective judgement on that on both sides.


Basically, Good news:
We are getting out of the EU.
... too general to attach much meaning. It is not in itself good or bad, it is all the detail that matters.


We will take back control of our internationally agreed fishing grounds

This is a very interesting one. It may or may not happen, but it is no simple matter. We have severely depleted our fishing fleets and the supporting facilities and it will take years to build them back up again. That could give us big problems in the meantime as we are talking investment with no short term return.



We will not be expected to join the Euro

... not an issue, we are opted out.

We will not expected to become part of a European army

... not an issue. We have a veto. And losing that veto makes an EU army more likely, not less.


We will massively reduce the payments we make to the EU.
This one very much remains to be seen. Norway, I gather, pays more per capita for access to the market than we do. All the bluster about not paying anything at all have evaporated during the negotiations.
We will show that democracy (literally: rule of the people) still exists

Perhaps. Not that I am convinced it ever existed in the UK - hence the reform Acts, for example.   Our system is representative democracy, not plebiscite.


We will be free to trade with other nations without imposing a standardised list of tariffs intended to be protectionist of European interests

Again perhaps. One thing that people seem to overlook is that any trade agreement involves sacrificing some freedom in exchange for what as seen as a greater benefit. To take an utterly trivial example: The UK power supply runs at 50Hz (more or less) as does almost all the rest of the world. Having the freedom to run it at 100Hz is technically there, but we voluntarily relinquish it in the interests of getting access to all the world's equipment that is designed for the 50Hz. And such things happen in just about every international agreement to promise to do (or not do) certain things in exchange for benefits. The EU tariffs are an example of that: by co-operating at that level we believed be got greater benefits. Perhaps we no longer think that is the case, but it is a judgement, not a 'given', especially as we will have to sacrifice some degree of freedom to set up the new deals. They might, like the frequency of the power supply, be things we can 'sacrifice' without worrying very much. But it all remains to be seen.