Hi Sandy ... I think I remember him, but I'll bet that Don can do better than I (he usually does in most things.) I can't give you any current information about Warren. I was describing this phenomenon of MUDCAT to my daughter. I compared it to what a transatlantic pigeon race must be like! Someone starts a thread, people comment as they wish, and it all comes dribbling in ... whenever! She tried to explain to me that TIME varies as the world goes around. I can't understand that ... if it's 8:50 here, in Everett Washington (which it is) then it's 8:50 everywhere! PERIOD! THE END. So what the heck are YOU doing up so late! CHEERS and GOOD THOUGHTS, Bob Nelson