Well, John, you and I are usually on the same wavelength. I don't want to insult anyone on account of their entirely personal choices in life. I've said dozens of times here that a person's belief in God, for example, is one hundred percent their business. To me, it's irrational, but we wouldn't be human if we didn't allow some irrationality into our lives. After all, I think that Liverpool FC are the greatest phenomenon on earth. The problem comes when those who hold those beliefs feel the need to spread them to others, to pressurise us into accepting them. Personally, I think that veganism is a tainted philosophy that could be harmful both to individuals and to the planet were it to hold sway. I've already given my reasons in this thread. I don't want to hear, as a bloke with an omnivore gut, about fluffy little bunnies, luvvy-duvvy pink piggies, chuckie-hens, baa-lambs or whatever, any more than a lion, a buzzard, a wolf or a killer whale want to hear about fluffy little bunnies, luvvy-duvvy pink piggies, chuckie-hens and baa-lambs. Emotions are one thing. Ecology is an entirely other.