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Thread #162855   Message #3904761
Posted By: DMcG
10-Feb-18 - 06:55 AM
Thread Name: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
Subject: RE: BS: Post Brexit life in the UK
It could be that we will reach crisis point in the next weeks or months

I agree that could happen. As I have said before I am opposed to a second referendum in principle, and the fact it would undoubtedly be as deceitful as last time for the reasons you list just makes me more convinced it would be a bad idea. The 'meaningful' vote in Parliament is, in my view, the right way to go, though how to make it meaningful is a really difficult one, especially as the whipping will be in full force.

Again, an election doesn't seem too promising. Re-electing the Conservatives would not really alter anything - the Irish border question for example would be the same. If Labour won, they would be doomed for years to the blame of 'getting Brexit wrong' whatever happened.

I don't really have a problem with raising the details of the referendum as and when. It just seems rather pointless to do it *here* as the views on both sides are so settled and the arguments so familiar.

So, for example, I would prefer to hear whether leavers here, who argue that Parliament must be sovereign, think it right that Parliament should be refused oversight if a minister wants to change working conditions by using Henry VIII powers. Remember in the future that could be a minister of any political persuasion. That seems more likely to lead to more fruitful discussion.