Why don't you stop pretending, Joe, and just reinstate those perfectly civil posts that you deleted, accompanied by a rather rude PM to me? You are abusing your position as a mod here in having your say, as unpleasant as you can make it, whilst hovering over your delete button. I have not said anything bigoted, either in the deleted posts or in what's still here. Simply saying that live and let live/let sleeping dogs lie/laissez faire is a suspect plea is not bigoted. It's saying that it's the wrong call. If the Masons, the churches, Hollywood, the big charities or any other organisation are now having their dirty linen aired, it isn't because they've spontaneously thrown their hands in the air suddenly admitting everything. It's because they've been outed, largely by victims. The very nature of cover-ups is that we don't know that they're going on, and we have every right to be suspicious, going from the past records of these organisations. We will only know that these setups are finally clean after a long period of not hearing about any more abuses. That's your institution's fault, not ours, and to say so is not bigotry, not by a country mile.