Joe, you could have just added your remarks to this otherwise closed thread without starting a new one, we know you know how to do this stuff still. Your remarks were moved here to keep the context but to stop the running battle. --mudelf

[Sigh] Yes, I do know how to do that. But I also know that if I did, I might well be rightly accused of reopening and then closing the thread so I could get in the last word. I've had that accusation before. It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now.
I have found that if moderators close a thread, that's usually enough. If people start a continuation thread on the subject, the new thread is usually much more civil. So, that's why I started a new thread. I wasn't done talking on the subject, and I was sure I was going to be able to convince Steve Shaw and Greg_F to change their evil ways since I think they're basically good people who just need to "see the light." I had intended to start the new thread with a civil comment to attempt to change the tone of the discussion, and I think my comment was quite civil. I didn't even call Steve Shaw a bigot in it....
-Joe Offer-

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The threads were merged because the same combatants from the first thread followed Joe to the second one. Rather than have two closed threads as objects of consideration for trolling, the coherent remark was moved and the rest of the nastiness was deleted. --mudelf