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Thread #163685 Message #3911715
Posted By: Richie
18-Mar-18 - 02:50 PM
Thread Name: Origins: James Madison Carpenter & Child Ballads
Subject: Lyr Add: CAMBRIC SHIRT
Hi Shimmering,
I don't consider Child 3 a riddling ballad, it seems to be a forming of archaic verbal jousting called "flyting." It's there that an antecedent may be found.
As for the Exeter book, I think it's possible the courting riddles of Child 2 Elphin Knight/Scarborough Fair, may be found. As I remember one old riddle known as Dr. Whewell's riddle,
A headless man had a letter (o) to write,
He who read it (naught) had lost his sight;
The dumb repeated it (naught) word for word,
And deaf was the man who listened and heard (naught).
was part of the Exeter riddles, but now I can't remember where I read it. See part of the riddle as last stanza in "Cambrick Shirt" dated Feb. 1867 as taken from from a "lady from Cornwall" who herself had heard it "when a child" from an "old woman of St. Ives:
Can you make me a cambrick shirt,
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
Without any seam or needle work?
And I will be a true lover of thine.
Can you wash it in yonder well,
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
Where never sprung water nor rain never fell?
And I will be a true lover of thine.
Can you dry it on yonder thorn,
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
Which never bore blossom since Adam was born?
And I will be a true lover of thine.
Now you have asked me questions three,
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme,
As many wonders I'll tell to thee
If thou wilt be a true lover of mine.
A handless man a letter did write[1],
Parsley, sage, rosemary and thyme;
And he who read it had lost his sight,
And thou shalt be a true lover of mine.
Where is this riddle found in the Exeter riddles?
Richie