Lor Just open Pal Talk and wonce opened click your mouse on groups. Check the box at the bottom to always show adult groups then scan down and click on Music in groups. Go down the music groups until you find either Mudcat Tavern or Mudcat Snug Bar. Click on that line and then on join. If it is the Mudcat Snug Bar you will need the password dt to enter. You will only find one of them when someone has opened one or the other. There are usually enough Mudcatters on to open either if you wish them to. Hope I was of some help. Katcina