Robomatic, it's hardly surprising that you defend Keith. Your own record here is that of a rather blinkered, right-wing ideologue who rather closely aligns himself with his stance. Two bad people have been removed from this forum recently, and an even more recent change is taking place: we are sidelining Keith by ignoring his posts. Not because we are bullies or because we don't want to discuss points that may arise in his posts, but because he is currently the most vexatious poster here by a country mile. Not the most trolling, not by a long chalk, though he does seem to be in an increasingly desperate attention-seeking mindset, characterised by calling his perceived opponents extremists at every opportunity. Well we don't want to be his opponents any more. We want him to either stop what he's doing and play nice or wallow in isolation. That's his remaining choice here. Just watch if you don't believe me. I posted this yesterday in another thread and I stand by very word:

"The people you're referring to [Mike] do at least put their arguments, not necessarily diplomatically, admittedly. The main complainer [Keith] who seems to have duped you, Mike, does not listen to what we say and constantly tries to make us jump through hoops, set booby traps, lies about what he's previously said, flaunts his skewed, right-wing views as somehow mainstream (which they may well be if you regard the Daily Mail as mainstream, I suppose) and has no interest in any sort of normal, civil debate. He treats the whole thing as a game that he simply has to win. He's feeling miffed at the moment because we are ignoring him, and, rest assured, if he responds to this, which he will, we will continue do so. By doing that we are at least trying to sweeten the place a bit. If you want to see who else it really is who pisses people off and makes the game not worth the candle, take a look at the recently-closed Gaza thread please, especially the inputs from bobad and BeardedBruce in its last couple of days. You are confusing bad-tempered squabbling, bad enough in itself and we ought to know better, with wilful negativity and trolling."

I hasten to add that Mike's a good old boy and I didn't mean to attack him personally in any way. It's just that he gave me an opportunity to deliver that salvo at Keith. Some of us are determined to change things around here for the better. Watch this space.