You are correct, Gordon Jackson, that I didn't get my facts completely straight but it was more a matter of not being very clear in my answer than being completely off-base. Farewell to Tarwathie as I understand it was a poem that was never truly intended to be a song but became a beautiful one when it was paired with a tune in the 1800's/1900's. The version that everyone tends to know and sing now is the one that was arranged by Judy Collins and others during the folk revival. In fact, Judy Collins is erroneously given credit for the song on numerous sites which is a major problem with the internet. Anyway, the original tune and the 60's version are just different enough to me to think of them as two separate songs. Another point that I was too lazy to include but that makes me go with the "non-trad" label is that it wasn't a song in the first place but became one later. When looking for songs for a fleadh cheoil, I was disappointed to learn that all of the Thomas Moore songs I enjoy singing didn't qualify as trad either. Even though Moore chose the traditional tunes himself to accompany his poems AND they were all certainly old enough, The fact that they were formally composed, many as poems originally, they weren't passed down in the accepted oral tradition of a true trad song. I know that Fleadh adjuticators are a CRAZY bunch and frankly don't think most of them have the heart and soul of a song on their radar but...I do have a general gut feeling about what they consider a trad song. I don't always agree with them, but they don't pay me for my opinions anyway, ! :-)