DMcG and Dave,
but your last two posts are prime examples of Keithian hoops.

Everything I said in those two posts,

"Not true. They have refused to even discuss trade yet. "
AND
"Not true. They still promise it and always did. "

Just two facts.
No hoops. No traps No tactics. No twists. No arguments.
Just two facts.
What is your problem?
What are you both afraid of?