It's late and I'm half asleep, so I'm not expressing myself very well! When I said "it's from O. K. Abbott" I was referring to Jim's mention of Fowke's "old farmer - I didn't mean to imply that Lloyd's version was the same as Mr Abbott's, just that Mr Abbott had a version and it was therefore a traditional song. Was Lloyd's tune anything like Mr Abbott's Vic? Did Lloyd's extra verses come from other versions, or are they his own invention, Steve?