Well Steve, I don't think you've given any consideration at all to the point of view expressed by Stanron.

To be honest, I don't think you give any consideration to the bare facts.

In 1974, both Morris and Renault were producing crap cars - the Renault 4, the apalling Renault Dauphin and the Marina.

Renault is still there - still producing shit cars. All our industries have gone because they said we were illegally subsidising our industries, which was just the way we did things.

The last smack in the kisser was the Skoda story- an entire 3rd world economy, we are asked to believe restored to health without subsidy, without unprecedented tax breaks.

The point is they don't adhere to the rules, We are stupid,   and we do.

We simply can't go on like this - running the economy on Russian gangsters buying football clubs and real estate. We have to get the wealth of the country back to work - reviving our industry.

We will never do it inside the EU. What ever the cost we have to get out, and sort ourselves out. No one else will do this for us.