Sandman - bugger off. Mudcat threads meander, generally speaking to the general entertainment / education. I'm talking quite happily with Jennie (I don't know if she's talking quite happily with me; I'm sure she'll be back to say! ;-) ). You, on the other hand, are adding nothing. This a 20 year old thread that has been randomly resurrected. One of the joys of Mudcat! :) What useful point do you think you are making?