"I have seen at Swinton and other clubs that"
I know Swinton well
Bit difficult to get to Birmingham or Leeds or London or Brighton - or even Liverpool - and back in one night I seem to remember
I'm not denying there are pockets of good singers - I'm sure there are
I am talking about the picture nationwide

I won't mention Jim Moray - I had a head-to-head with him about the traditional nature of his singing on this forum
He seems not to like constructive criticism
Jim