For the first time, for nearly as long as I can remember, Labour is now offering an alternative the the horrendous career and profit-driving that now passes for British politics and has been its driving force for far too long.

Labour has got where it is by an influx of 'new-brooms' who have embraced the old ideals of Labour-Party Socialism - never extreme, as is being described by the trolls (unless you believe improving the lot of all as "extreme", as these people obviously do)
It is little wonder that is has been subjected to several years of attacks by those who support and benefit from the status-quo
Genuinely New' Labour (as distinct from Blair's 'New Labour') is bound to make mistakes - it has done already - they are largely green at the game, but at least the appear to have a principled objective rather than more of the same.

What has been significant in all these discussions is that the Troll-Supported parties are guilty of all the things they are accusing the Labour Party of - in spades
Extremism (how extreme is it to bung a sectarian Party £1 billion in order to stay in power, or to sell arms to stades engaged in genocide?)
Racism/cultural hatred (how racist is it to blame immigrants and refuges for economic failures, or appointing a racist foreign secretary?)
Incompetence and in-fighting (the right dares to accuse anybody of this while the present Government Circus hasn't given us its star turns yet !!!)

The most significant thing of all is that the few Government supporters here refuse totally to discuss what is happening to Britain at present - not just the Troll Brothers Trio, but even the half-decent ones.
I invariably disagree with Nigel, but I do respect his articulacy and his obvious dedication, yet even he would rather see a thread closed than see these things discussed rationally - pity.
These discussions need a bit of intelligent balance - no takers so far
Jim