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Thread #164605   Message #3949840
Posted By: KarenH
12-Sep-18 - 06:18 AM
Thread Name: Brexit #2
Subject: RE: Brexit #2
While I would be more than happy to agree that there was a lot of racism behind the anti-EU vote, I can also see that some people (eg Kate Hoey and the RMT union too, I believe) opposed the EU on genuine constitutional/democratic deficit grounds. Let us not forget that some on the left opposed our initial membership on leftist grounds.

I will never forget seeing open racist abuse on a pavement café the day they announced Brexit (some about a person having the cheek in the view of the racist to wear a Sari in this country, and some from a waiter in the next door café who believed 'we' were 'going to get our jobs back').

And though the democratic deficit points may sometimes be made in an exaggerated way, there is a problem in this areas. One could also point to the way Greece was treated.

I'm sure there were decent people who believed the stuff about how money that is spent on the EC would be used for public services including local councils instead (which I did not; this government is ideologically committed to tax and local services cuts).

Ironic, since the right always objected to Europe because it involved the social chapter, workers' rights, working time directives and other stuff that eroded the sort of 'freedoms' beloved of the right.

What happens won't just be about the sort of 'deal' we get with Europe, or the reductions in food standards to be expected in future trade deals, or the changes in power structures with companies able to take governments to courts in some proposals, it will be about who is in power at the time and their politics.

So while I'm sure a lot of dim people voted Brexit on racist grounds, feelings whipped up by Farage and his ilk and sure to get worse given Bannon's involvement in European politics, I don't think you can call them all thick!

But those who imagined there would be a lot more money to spend on stuff for ordinary people are in for a disappointment. And this is without the loss of scientific co-operation, EU based security, EU grants and subsidies which benefited a great many of the Brexit-voting communities and so on.