Actually, Stanron, what was most entertaining about the Gove interview, in which he was clearly rattled by the extremely alert and astute interviewer, came just after the bit you quoted (misquoted, actually, but hey ho - watch out, Nigel's about) when Faisal, appalled by the "experts" quote, accused Gove of Trump politics. Lovely! Listening back to the interview now, it was just about the most cringeworthy display by a politician imaginable, well, apart from anything by the aforementioned Trump. I had to stop after a few minutes for fear of bursting my corset, so I don't know whether Gove actually named any of the "expert" authorities or individual economists he was lambasting.