Tell that to the fishing communities. They know how biddable the EU are.

I remember being in Looe one weekend when the banks foreclosed on the whole fishing fleet. Every single boat in the harbour , and that was a tragedy repeated the entire length of the English coast.

In England we are essentially a country where we like people to have a go, and traditionally encourage enterprise. Thatcher pretended to be anti-Europe, but she used the EU regulations to stop subsidies and close down loads of other industries, to anihilate the union/Labour power base.

I'm sorry to disagree with you John, but I voted against membership in 1974, and I have seen nothing to change my mind.

I've been wrong about things before. I thought we should be in the Euro. I think Brexit will never happen in any meaningful sense, not in the way that I would like, if that's any sort of help.