None of them can offer anything DMcG. In over 2 years there has been nothing positive from experts in this field so we should not expect anything from random people on a folk music forum.

I would say that the EU does have its problems and by leaving we are distancing ourselves from, for instance, the very poor treatment that Greece suffered. We will also be able to trade with non EU countries without having to apply tariffs. These are the sort of arguments they should expand on but they don't. I suspect it is because they now realise, like the rest of us, that the costs of these 'benefits' is far greater than the gains.

The current government debacle is not about leaving the EU. They know that is the worse possible outcome. It is about saving face and how they can stay in while pretending that they are still fulfilling the 'will of the people'. Brexit supporters are in the same position. They will just not admit that they were wrong, which is a perfectly human trait.