Look, there is no open/ closed or other room issue here. This whole business centres around me missunderstanding what Noreen meant when she said "...but then it got VERY busy -must have been 20 or so in, lots of non- catters, hard work to admin, so we moved over to the snug where there was a far more relaxing atmosphere..." (and judging by Alison's post, I would guess I was not alone in at least some of that missunderstanding) and my over-reaction to it.Jon